Robbie
Trulli drove better than lewis today, yet once again... all the credit go's to lewis, and none go's to Trulli. Im guessing your British Clive?

Trulli started two places behind lewis, and finished ahead of lewis.

I guess we only see what we want to see.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Journeyer
I must agree with Trulli's penalty. The rules are the rules. Good consistency on the part of the stewards.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Journeyer
"Trulli started two places behind lewis, and finished ahead of lewis."

Trulli finished behind Lewis; he went off. Lewis was just asked by McLaren to give the position back. Otherwise, Hamilton was legitimately ahead of Trulli.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Steven Roy
I guess we know how Brawn managed to make such a well handlign car when others are struggling to get weight forward. I wonder if Brawn have the heaviest, strongest front wing on the grid.

Trulli clearly went off on his own and should not have re-taken the position. I reckon McLaren far from believing Lewis passed illegally simply did not want to give the stewards the opportunity to penalise him.

Vettel and Kubica was boys being boys. A couple of young lions scrapping as Mario Andretti said after Dijon. Nuthin' to get excited about. And nothing to be penalised either.

I am impressed by Hamilton's result. I have rated him highly since long before he was in F1 but I did not expect him to get points in a car that bad. If it was a badly handling car he could muscle into performing I could understand it but the car handles well. It just doesn't have any downforce and I don't know how a driver can compensate for that.


I felt sorry for Rosberg at the end. He drove a great race until he put the soft tyres on and then he had no pace. Who needs a stupid rule that gives us tyres that last ten minutes and have green stripes to suggest environmentally friendliness?

It will be interesting to see how the balance of power changes in Malaysia. The diffuser should have been the defining feature in Mlebourne but on the long straights of Sepang KERS should be a bigger advantage.

Date Added: 29/03/2009

LazerFX
The point with the Vettel penalty was NOT the colliision. It was that he continued to drive on the track for more than a lap afterwards, with a clearly damaged car (Source: www.pitpass.com). It was this that also got the team a $50,000 fine, as they told him to continue despite the obvious lack of safety of the car.

It was clearly a 50/50 racing incident - Vettel made a mistake, and then braked slightly too early, Kubica squoze a bit too much, Vettel ran a bit wide... crunch. Nothing wrong with that, however continuing to drive unsafe is clearly the wrong thing to do.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Robbie: Okay, let's ignore the fact that Trulli's car was far better than Lewis', let's forget that Trulli was so good that he went off the circuit, let's pretend that nationality has anything to do with our assessments of drivers. How much more would you like me to ignore?

The fact is that Hamilton, in a much less competitive car than the Toyota, was right with Trulli when the guy threw it off the track. If you can forget nationality for a moment, you might understand that Hamilton's achievement in this race was far greater than Trulli's, given the relative capabilities of their cars.

I grow heartily sick of the pathetic attempts by some to put any support for Hamilton down to blind patriotism. Those who think that seasoned F1 fans (and they don't come much more seasoned than me) give a monkey's fart for the nationality of the drivers are obviously guilty of the very sin they so happily accuse others of.

Incidentally, I am English, not British. And I grew up in Africa and now live in the States. I think that makes me a lot more international than you, Robbie.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Becken
Great race by Lewis. I have never had any doubts about his skills.

About Vettel and Kubica, they are showing exactly what happened when you must have to race with a good car but under a huge pressure to deliver.

In the very first race they just cracked. So, lets see who is really over hyped now that we don't have the top dogs fighting for podiums...
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Journeyer: I guess we have to give the stewards this one, presuming that they had access to video evidence while we were not shown the incidents. I base my assessment purely on the drivers' statements and the rumour of McLaren's instructions to Hamilton. F1 Fanatic has video of Trulli going off but, unfortunately, there is no indication of whether the yellows were out at the time. Inconclusive, therefore.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Steven: Ah, my good Scottish friend (since we're hung up about nationality today), you have obviously noticed the similarity to girders of the Brawn front endplates - rather like the BMW's, in fact. Could it be, as you say, that both teams have found the solution to getting weight over the front wheels? ;)

If Trulli went off after the yellows had gone out, it raises an interesting question regarding such events. Is it right that a car going off circuit at such a time should be allowed to reclaim any positions lost as a result? Surely any off track excursion deserves whatever demotion it results in and cars that pass while the car is off the circuit should be allowed to keep the positions gained. According to the regulations, going off the circuit is a penalisable offence...

Absolutely agree with you on Vettel/Kubica and on the silly situation regarding tyres. And, as you have read, my estimation of Hamilton goes up another notch.

You could be right about the balance of power being different in Sepang. The only thing I would mention is that the Australian GP, as different as it is, has an uncanny knack of predicting the champion for the whole season. :D
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
LazerFX: Nope, Vettel was penalised ten grid spots in Sepang for causing the accident with Kubica. From the Formula 1 website:

Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel has been handed a 10-place grid penalty for next weekend’s Malaysian Grand Prix following an incident in Sunday’s Australian race. Vettel collided with BMW Sauber’s Robert Kubica during the latter stages in Melbourne as the Polish driver attempted to overtake him.

Following a post-race investigation, stewards decided to penalise the young German for 'causing a collision and forcing a driver off the track’. He had been racing in second, behind eventual race victor Jenson Button, with Kubica running a close third.

The fine for continuing to drive a three-wheeled car was an entirely separate matter and went to the team for telling Vettel to do so. I agree with you that no penalty was deserved for the accident, however.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Becken: Good point - now we will see just how good these youngsters are when under pressure.

Which reminds me: first blood to Kubica but second blood to Heidfeld - at least he finished the race! Same goes for Webber and Vettel, come to think of it...
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Mr Soap
I remember before the season Kubica being wary of the wide front wngs, and how they could easily cause accidents.

The first contact between the pair was Kubicas sidepod pulling off Vettels front wing, which consequently hits Vettels right front tyre. Unsurprisingly, the combination of the two caused him to 'understeer' into Kubica.

Without the front wing contact, the pass may well have worked, It' hardly be the first overtake where tyres touch the sidepods, and everyone survives. If Vettel had kept his front downforce, he could've steered away from the accident.

I don't think such passes are now possible while travelling at an angle to one another.

Vettel, however, suffered from being too nice and apologising, it may have got him a 10 grid penalty, but it has, at least, won him my respect.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Agreed, Mr Soap, Vettel has been honourable throughout and apologised beyond what was necessary. His humility shines through and it is clear from his immediate apology to the team that he believes none of the hype surrounding him. He knows he still has to prove himself.

I agree, too, with your assessment of the collision. It raises the question of whether the regulation changes have made overtaking any easier as intended. From what I saw in the race, it has had a marginal effect at best. Many of the faster cars were stuck behind slower cars for large segments of the race. KERS has given some cars an advantage when passing but they pay for it in poorer handling.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Hezla
I agree with you about Trulli, Clive, actually all your thoughts about the race.
I am very impressed by Buemi.

I also agree with the comments about Vettels apology.
In my eyes it was 50/50 and should be filed as a racing incident.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Roger Carballo AKA Architrion
I'm trying to imagine what is the reason to put weight so far away from the center of gravity of the car. Clive and Steven are guessing that Brawn and BMW have used their front nose, the endplates, to weight this part and just get a correct balance. Yes, the weight would be extremely low and that's nice, but a little touch on an endplate and you are ruined. Asymmetric endplates because of a race incidente and your balance is goodbye (even shaving a wall could be critical). But the main question remains to be seen, because the inertia of that weight so far away from the center of rotation of the vehicle doesn't look good in my eyes. It's like trying to move a hammer from the base of the hammer or moving it from the opposite point (ah, what would I give to have a better english for this technical stuff!). Finally, bumping on kerbs could cause catastrofic damage because of material fatigue... I can't see it, guys
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Mr Soap
It's a curious question, but not one I'd say can be answered so quickly. Right now, I'd be tempted to say it has had something of a positive effect, incidents like this aside.

I have to admit the only instance of someone being really held up by someone much slower than them was Trulli by Fisichella, and I've never really rated Trulli as a talented overtaker. Is this just that my memory is bad?

But even if there is more overtaking, whether that's just because the field has got closer, or down to the regulations is certainly a matter for debate.

KERS is also inconclusive. It certainly didn't seem to help in qualifying - although Hamilton only got one quick lap in, which given how quickly the track improved could've been much better. From what Alonso said, the Renault system either isn't working so well or they don't know when to use it yet. The Ferrari drivers were certainly using it in different patterns to Hamilton whenever the graphic showing its use was present. Shame they never showed Heidfeld or the Renaults though.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Lee
What a great race! I am so happy for Brawn as they have clearly done a great job and they look as if they have speed in the bag judging by jensons short bursts of speed to open gaps up. Hamilton showed that he is indeed a racing master and every bit worth the title of World Champion, his passing moves were sublime and he remained cool. The Mclaren does not look as bad as I thought. It seems very stable and well balanced and there was no sign of Lewis fighting it. It clearly needs a little more downforce which I am confident the engineers will develop quickly. Once it has this I imagine it will be very competitive especially as the ferraris seem to be a little twitchy.

One great thing was to see how close the cars can now follow through the corners, no more dropping back and having to make it all back on the next straight.

I believe Trullis' penalty is the correct decision under the circumstances (although the coverage did not show the actual incident) however I could also understand if Trulli feels a little hard done by.

Vettel and Kubica should both be feeling very silly right now. Vettel could and should have backed off more and Kubica could and should have given vettel more room. No penalties should be given as they were racing and it was clearly a mistake on both their parts.

Also Clive I have also suffered at the hands of the old Nationality card. What people should understand is that British sports fans in general are very knowledgable and mostly very impartial. We may get a bit carried away about our own every now and then but we are certainly never blind to their failings either (in fact some think we are often too critical). After all we do make most of the cars on the grid ;-)

One more point. I am not sure if I am being a little too pessimistic, but I could swear that after nakijima met the wall, they left the safety car until Button had pitted. It seemed an age before it came out........ Not that I am complaining, Jenson does deserve a little luck.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

aracerdude
A few more observations:

If you look at each individuals fastest laps, many in the top 10 had fast laps at the bottom of the sheet.

Buemi pulled right in front of the leader(?) in the pits and it was ignored by the press. Last year, Massa did that and the press went on for days.

Ferrari's strategy was not much different then BMW's ans could have brought results if not for reliability yet again.

Overtaking did seem to be a bit better.

Tire compounds need to be more consistent from hard to soft compounds. The soft compound was pathetic.

Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Hezla: Careful, you'll be making me think I'm infallible! ;)
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Roger: Actually, we were joking about the front wing being used to add weight to the nose - British sarcasm, perhaps. It seemed to follow from the reflection on the strength of the Brawn's wing.

It is worth mentioning, that Renault tried placing their KERS storage in the nose in an attempt to get more weight in the front. They may have changed that since the beginning of testing, however - at least, that unsightly bulge under the nose seems to have disappeared. Perhaps they found out about your centre of inertia theory the hard way, Roger!
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Roger Carballo AKA Architrion
That was a too weighted joke for my poor english, I think... :-)). And let's say that those guys at Renault must be way smarter that we are.... although..... just looking that piece of junk and bricks that is given to the Fred for second year in a row.... Maybe we could get a well paid job there. If you have a call, let me know, bro!!
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Mr Soap: Trulli's reputation has been that he is very fast over one lap but does not race very well. That may be the result of overdue caution when overtaking but, in any case, he has begun to put the reputation to bed in recent years, having raced very well since Ralf's departure from the team.

I seem to remember Raikkonen being held up for several laps behind Fisichella, Barrichello had great difficulty getting past Rosberg and Raikkonen (actually, he had to wait until they pitted) and Massa managed no passing moves after dropping to 13th in his third stint. It all looked very familiar to me.

But, as you say, it is early days yet and we will have a better idea on this one after a few more races. The same goes for KERS - I am perhaps a little overeager to condemn it, having argued against it ever since the idea was first put forward by Mosley. ;)
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Filipe
Clive, Massa's pace was awful after his last pit. It take him a few laps to get behind Trulli who was already stuck behind Fisichella. Also Barrichello previously to the first pit was having some problems with that damaged wing.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Filipe
One thing about Hamilton pretty good race: he struck me as thre only driver using Kers well.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Lee: The telling thing about the McLaren is given in the list of fastest laps - Hamilton's best was only 13th quickest. To get as high as he did, Hamilton must have squeezed the best out of the car for lap after lap. In other words, he was driving on the edge right through the race, something that F1 drivers rarely do (hence their fluctuating times from lap to lap) and only the very best can manage. Consistency in times is more frequently seen, some drivers such as Heidfeld being known for it, but consistency at the ragged edge is reserved for only the supremely talented.

Steven is correct in saying that the car handles well but lacks downforce, I think, and that is something that the team will solve gradually as the season progresses.

I was probably a little hard on Robbie up there regarding the nationality thing but I see so many similar comments on F1 Fanatic that I had reached boiling point when I read his comment. It really is something that F1 fans should know is irrelevant.

As for the conspiracy theory of the timing of the safety car, I'm not buying it, I'm afraid. It was a bit late in coming out, yes, but I do not believe that had anything to do with the positions on the track at the time. My guess is that Maylander couldn't find the keys. ;)
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Aracer: Interesting observations. Not sure about the fast laps, however - I only see Barrichello, Buemi and Hamilton of the higher finishers with slow fastest laps. The rest of the top ten seem to have all put in very respectable times.

I missed the move by Buemi in the pits - do not recall it at all. I recorded the race, however, and must remember to keep an eye on Buemi when I watch it again.

True regarding Ferrari's strategy, although their first mistake was starting on the softs. Their car was not as good as the BMW, however, and I doubt that Raikkonen really had a chance of finishing on the podium as they are claiming.

The soft tire was not a viable option at all, I agree. To force teams to race a stint on tires good for only a few decent laps seems insane to me. But then, when has that ever bothered the FIA?
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Roger: When Renault were let off the charge of spying because, according to the WMSC, their engineers had not understood how McLaren's J-damper worked, I jokingly suggested that the Renault engineers must be pretty stupid not to get it when others proved quite capable of working the thing out for themselves. Some thought I really meant that, completely missing that it was sarcasm intended to show how empty was the WMSC's reasoning. So I seem to be gaining a track record in being misunderstood!

The truth is that I have a high regard for Renault's engineers, particularly Pat Symonds, and would never presume to know more than they do. But I'll let you know if I hear of any vacancies in the team. ;)
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Clive
Filipe: That is true about Massa being slow after his second pit stop and Barrichello's handling problem. But the fact remains that they were still able to close up on the car in front, only to get stuck there for long periods. It looked just like last year to me...

Agreed regarding Hamilton's use of KERS - it looked like intelligent and smooth use of the extra power.
Date Added: 29/03/2009

Peter Boyle

Clive, yes - I was thinking given Hamilton's qualifying
and race lap times he must have been consitently so near the limit the whole race. Something Schumacher was remarked for, but when you say that kind of thing you get jumped on.

My impression from 2007 is that Alonso was slightly
quicker on average in single laps, but that Hamilton
banged out his race results in this way.

The BBC showed hamilton's onboard with telemetry as he followed and marginally closed the toyota (trulli I think) with alonso behind for a while.

Lovely battery icon, showing what he was doing with it.
It really struck me that he was losing on the toyota
slowly but consistently throughout the lap, but leaping
in on it on the start/finish straight and the other
straight where he was using his KER's (color change on use). How badly we KER's lights on the cars...

Beautiful first race, and so much to look forward to from so many teams for the rest of the season.

Date Added: 30/03/2009

Peter Boyle

and... on the penalty.

Mclaren's rumored decision (let Trulli pass, then appeal)
is truly the decision of a thoroughly victimized and
paranoid team.

More fear than greed - guarantee to hold the fourth, get the
third if it the pass with Trulli off the circuit was
later deemed admissible by the FIA result revision comittee.

Toyota, really sorry, but welcome to Mclaren's world. mwahahaha. As Mclaren is so out of it FIA punishment division have decided to find new whipping boys for harsh and unusual punishment.

Did anyone else smell a phone call from Bernie in the
timing of the removal of second Safety car?

Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Peter: Hey, I can't jump on you if you agree with me! Your assessment of the 2007 season is pretty accurate, I think, especially in view of Hamilton's performance today. As soon as Vision F1 have their re-run of the race up, I'm going to watch Lewis' times lap by lap.

SpeedTV had the KERS graphic too - very interesting. I still think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, however - Lewis would have been quicker with more ballast to play with; KERS just allowed him to make up the loss on the straights.

Great race, I agree.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Peter (again): I pity Toyota if they really have become the FIA's whipping boy this season. What better way to drive them out of F1?

I'm staying well clear of theories about the timing of the safety car, however. Life is just a little easier if I ignore the possibilities crawling around in that can of worms. ;) Besides, I don't want to credit the authorities with too much intelligence...
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Negative Camber
Clive,

Having watched most of these drivers entire careers, I think Lewis is most assuredly one of the most talented and did exactly what he needed to do; not only for his critics but for McLaren as a whole. He should be commended.

As for wet weather drivers; arguably I think Vettel may be the best on the grid and Rubens is no slouch either. Lewis has stiff, stiff competition for your endorsement of the best in rain. ;)

great review with the clarity of an evenings sleep. ;)
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Peter Boyle

I'm absolutely not serious about wishing such a role on Toyota.

Just embittered and honestly view them as harshly treated this weekend, but also of the view that had Hamilton been gifted a position under SC he and the team would have have immediately lit up the radio, the phone to race control
etc.... and likely handed it back.

As they allegedly did (even when Trulli went off rather
than ceded). If Trulli is right, the collective Toyota look naive in accepting such a gift. When Hamilton didn't retire
they should have asked why did he cede (ans. passing under SC not allowed), and then asked what if his
pass on Trulli was legal (ans we passed under SC and will
receive precisely what Mclaren are afraid of).

Mclaren simply took the option of banking what they
had and gambling only the incremental gain and it is
and indictment of their recent treatment that a competitive
sports team feels they (and perhaps do) have to take this approach.

Bernie lectures them all about being spineless and
not going for the win while Vettel gets punished for insufficient fear and Mclaren have been so thoroughly
victimized they have a backroom legal team in woking
churning the eventualities on a supercomputer to decide whether it is safer to voluntarily give up race
position and win it back in court.

We don't need rule changes, we need the rules we've got to be applied reasonably and fairly.


Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Negative Camber: Thanks for the compliment (although it was a morning's sleep!).

Yes, I stuck my neck out a bit over Hamilton's wet weather driving but I feel pretty safe doing it. Vettel has his reputation in the wet thanks to the handling of the STR3 in such conditions and to Monza, 2008. We tend to forgive Fuji, 2007, since he was so young at the time, but then ignore Bourdais' performance at Monza in the same car and conditions - he was almost as quick as Vettel throughout the race.

Hamilton, however, has proved himself much quicker than his team mate on a wet track, even more so than in the dry. Rubens and Button are both pretty good when it rains, so is Alonso. And it is Alonso that allows me to say that Hamilton is better - give Lewis water on the track and he was quicker than Fernando when they were team mates.

I call it "playing the team mate game". ;)
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Peter: Hear, hear. The FIA has succeeded in confusing so many issues over the past few years that no one can be sure of anything anymore, even when it is written in black and white in the rulebook.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Peter Boyle

Clive, gosh again I agree!

The folklore goes that STR at Monza made the gamble on a full wet set up, whereas Mclaren Ferrari and others in the title chase compromised. STR had more to gain from an extreme gamble, while those with more to lose had to minimise their worst case loss by taking compromise setup.

Hamilton has proved himself time and again, as with
the teammate gain (and Alonso is no slouch). Even at Monza
despite the qualification screw up, he charged through
the field at one point on a poorly setup car.

Vettel is certainly good in the wet (c.f. interlagos and not
just monza), but I've never seen the kind of Spa/Monte Carlo/Silverstone grade superiority that is so huge that the few tenths between cars clearly has nothing to do with it.

Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
There are usually a few wet weather specialists on any F1 grid - guys who leap to the front as soon as it rains. Button and Barrichello would be modern rain specialists and Hans Stuck Jr was the man in the 70s. But occasionally we get someone whose ability on a wet track seems magical - Senna was one (Monaco 1984, Donington 1993) and it may be that Hamilton could be another.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Aracer: Well, I've watched the Buemi pit stop and cannot agree that it was anything like Massa's offense in Valencia last year. Buemi is released in front of a Brawn, but there is nothing illegal in that. The shot was squashed up so that the cars looked closer together than they were anyway.

Massa was released into the side of Sutil and they proceeded next to each other down the pit lane. That was the unsafe release bit. It was Massa who said something about the leaders having to be respected by the others in the pit lane - but there is nothing about that in the rules. Just Massa being wishful...
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Filipe
I agree Clive. Barrichello at least should had an easier time given by how good Brawn looked. Interesting he is claiming that Heikki broke his diffuser in their fast lap.

Also you are probably very right that Ferrari need to look faster than they were played a whole in their bad performance. Massa told brazilian press that as soon as it became clear saturday that both Red Bull and BMW were faster than them, he and Rob Smeadley decide to switch to a three stop strategy which fell apart thanks to Nakajima's SC. BTW, looking at Massa speaking today one feels that Ferrari was really caught off guard by their actual pace this weekend.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Lee
Clive,

You are probably correct about the safety car conspiracy, it was probably just coincidence that the safety car took a ridiculous amount of time to get out and when it was called out it exactly coincided with Button leaving the pits. It also seemed strange to then keep hold the field up while seemingly they had cleared the williams out of the way before the safety car had even come out! Later on when vettel and kubica crashed the safety car call out was practically instant.

Also if you watch vettel and kubica crash from above it was a very nicely synchronised. They went off at different parts of the track at exactly the same time. 10 points for presentation there. I am still annoyed that either of them were punished. At most drivers should be given a fine for that sort of incident as it was neither dangerous or intentional.

On the tyre issue. I am still unsure about the whole thing. It is clear that when the softs go off it is affecting some cars more than others and they do go off a little too early. However the gap last year between compounds was so small that to some cars it made little difference to their tyre wear. I think they may just have over compensated as they now seem only a little harder wearing than the old qualifying tyres.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Alex Andronov
Great analysis Clive!

One thing to say is that in Formula 1 it's not the points you get when you expect to win that win you the championship, it's the points you get when you don't.

Lewis showing yet again that he is very canny at that. It may be academic with Brawn so far ahead. But if the diffusers are banned in a few weeks and we end up with McLaren and Ferrari back up the pointy end of the grid those 6 points might win a championship for him.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Nick Goodspeed
Being nationalistic, and since you have brought up past rain masters, mustn't forget Gilles Villeneuve 11 second advantage in qualifying at Watkin's Glen.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Arun Srini
Clive, hight time you change your blog title pic from Honda to Brawn GP !! :-) or even a beemer :-p
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Lee: Since I don't agree with the two-tyre per race rule anyway, I see nothing wrong with the two compounds having similar performance. The FIA insisting that Bridgestone introduce a greater disparity between the tyres looks like manipulating the sport fir the sake of the show and without regard for safety.

When will they learn that we could not care less about the tyres, we just want to see racing?
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Alex: Thanks. Absolutely right about the points, especially when you consider that it was the points Hamilton did not score in Spa last year, thanks to the worst stewarding decision ever, that nearly lost him the championship and allow Bernie to say that Massa should have been champion because he won more races.
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Nick: How could I forget the unforgettable Gilles? Mind you, if you hadn't reminded me, I reckon Steven Roy would have. ;)
Date Added: 30/03/2009

Clive
Arun: You're right, of course. I have been trying to find an equally dramatic photo to replace the old thunderbox Honda but no luck so far. It will change soon, I promise.

Maybe I could do a negative of the Honda and paint a big B on the nose instead of that H... :D
Date Added: 30/03/2009